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		<title>Comment on Obtaining dual citizenship &#8211; U.S. and Ireland by Bill</title>
		<link>http://bill.sweeney.net/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 03:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim,

I&#039;ll take a shot at these, although I have no legal standing in these matters:

1.  I don&#039;t think it is a problem they your grandparent became a US citizen.  If you have proof of his birth in Ireland and 3 forms of official identity like birth, marriage, death certificates I believe you should be okay.

2. With your Irish citizenship you will be an EU citizen and have rights to work in any EU country, of course, including Ireland.  If you search the web it appears there is not a problem with them living with you.  You might check the movetoireland web site, for example &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.movetoireland.com/movepag/papnoneuspouse.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt; and also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.transitionsabroad.com/listings/living/livingabroadin/living_abroad_in_ireland_moving.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt; at another web site that discusses naturalization for spouse and children.  Also, another naturalization summary is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irishlinks.co.uk/other-irish-citizenship.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

3. I&#039;ve researched the great-grandparent scenario for my kids, but have found nothing.  I became a citizen by FBR after they were born so they don&#039;t assume those rights.  There are rumors from time to time, but as far as I know nothing concrete.  

I hope that helps a little.  Good luck!  If you hear of a change to great-grandparent FBR please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take a shot at these, although I have no legal standing in these matters:</p>
<p>1.  I don&#8217;t think it is a problem they your grandparent became a US citizen.  If you have proof of his birth in Ireland and 3 forms of official identity like birth, marriage, death certificates I believe you should be okay.</p>
<p>2. With your Irish citizenship you will be an EU citizen and have rights to work in any EU country, of course, including Ireland.  If you search the web it appears there is not a problem with them living with you.  You might check the movetoireland web site, for example <a href="http://www.movetoireland.com/movepag/papnoneuspouse.htm" rel="nofollow">this page</a> and also <a href="http://www.transitionsabroad.com/listings/living/livingabroadin/living_abroad_in_ireland_moving.shtml" rel="nofollow">this page</a> at another web site that discusses naturalization for spouse and children.  Also, another naturalization summary is <a href="http://www.irishlinks.co.uk/other-irish-citizenship.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>3. I&#8217;ve researched the great-grandparent scenario for my kids, but have found nothing.  I became a citizen by FBR after they were born so they don&#8217;t assume those rights.  There are rumors from time to time, but as far as I know nothing concrete.  </p>
<p>I hope that helps a little.  Good luck!  If you hear of a change to great-grandparent FBR please let me know.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obtaining dual citizenship &#8211; U.S. and Ireland by Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 02:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I have a couple questions.... 

1) If my grandparent was born in Ireland, came to America and was naturalized, will the naturalization (renounce absolutely and forever all allegiance.... to George King of Great Britain and Ireland) prevent me from obtaining my FBR?

2) If I obtain my dual citizenship and move to Ireland with my wife and child, how will they be able to live in Ireland (for 4 and 3 years respectively) to apply to become naturalized citizens?

3) Will they be changing the limit for FBR from a grandparent to great-grandparent?

Thanks,

Jim
Chicago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I have a couple questions&#8230;. </p>
<p>1) If my grandparent was born in Ireland, came to America and was naturalized, will the naturalization (renounce absolutely and forever all allegiance&#8230;. to George King of Great Britain and Ireland) prevent me from obtaining my FBR?</p>
<p>2) If I obtain my dual citizenship and move to Ireland with my wife and child, how will they be able to live in Ireland (for 4 and 3 years respectively) to apply to become naturalized citizens?</p>
<p>3) Will they be changing the limit for FBR from a grandparent to great-grandparent?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jim<br />
Chicago.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>My podcast interview on Irish Roots Cafe &#124; A good blog never broke a tooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 00:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Our Irish Family History Tour &#171; A good blog never broke a tooth</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>Thank you Gerry Clarke and Social Media &#171; A good blog never broke a tooth</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] my August visit to Ireland I blogged about the nice people we met in Ballinafad.  Subsequently, Gerry was searching the Internet for [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Obtaining dual citizenship &#8211; U.S. and Ireland by Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 03:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Bill for your help. I will have to search this out more. The reason his naturalization papers say Great Britain is cuz Ireland wasn&#039;t Independent yet when they applied for US citizenship in 1914. This again might hinder me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Bill for your help. I will have to search this out more. The reason his naturalization papers say Great Britain is cuz Ireland wasn&#8217;t Independent yet when they applied for US citizenship in 1914. This again might hinder me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obtaining dual citizenship &#8211; U.S. and Ireland by Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 02:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m only familiar with the current citizenship rules for the Republic of Ireland.   You need 3 forms of identification for a grandparent - such as birth, marriage, and death.  

Not sure about rules for Northern Ireland or the UK in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m only familiar with the current citizenship rules for the Republic of Ireland.   You need 3 forms of identification for a grandparent &#8211; such as birth, marriage, and death.  </p>
<p>Not sure about rules for Northern Ireland or the UK in general.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obtaining dual citizenship &#8211; U.S. and Ireland by Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 02:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the Nauralization paper I have for my grandfather, saying he&#039;s a citizen of Great Britain,(I know he was born in the US tho) wont help me get a passport to Ireland? He was 3 when they applied for US citenzenship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Nauralization paper I have for my grandfather, saying he&#8217;s a citizen of Great Britain,(I know he was born in the US tho) wont help me get a passport to Ireland? He was 3 when they applied for US citenzenship.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obtaining dual citizenship &#8211; U.S. and Ireland by Bill</title>
		<link>http://bill.sweeney.net/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-950</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Laura, 

I can give you some opinions from my experience, but I am not an expert so take it with a grain of salt.

If your grandfather was born in America and neither he nor your father formerly registered in the Foreign Birth Registry (FBR), I don&#039;t believe you can claim any link.  It doesn&#039;t help even if you can prove your great grandfather was born in Ireland.  I have been investigating this for my daughters and can&#039;t find any place in the process that allows for this.  I became an Irish citizen based on my grandparents, but since I did it after my children were born I cannot pass this on to them and they cannot reach back to a great grandparent.

Regarding finding more information, I would be more optimistic.  Perhaps you can find a US Census in that time period or later.  It often lists place of birth and immigration date on the census.  You can look up other family members too.  

Having your great grandparents birth and marriage certificates can lead you to lots of interesting information in Ireland.  You must know the townlands and that can lead to lots of other information.  If you are interested in genealogy research you can have some fun with that information.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laura, </p>
<p>I can give you some opinions from my experience, but I am not an expert so take it with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>If your grandfather was born in America and neither he nor your father formerly registered in the Foreign Birth Registry (FBR), I don&#8217;t believe you can claim any link.  It doesn&#8217;t help even if you can prove your great grandfather was born in Ireland.  I have been investigating this for my daughters and can&#8217;t find any place in the process that allows for this.  I became an Irish citizen based on my grandparents, but since I did it after my children were born I cannot pass this on to them and they cannot reach back to a great grandparent.</p>
<p>Regarding finding more information, I would be more optimistic.  Perhaps you can find a US Census in that time period or later.  It often lists place of birth and immigration date on the census.  You can look up other family members too.  </p>
<p>Having your great grandparents birth and marriage certificates can lead you to lots of interesting information in Ireland.  You must know the townlands and that can lead to lots of other information.  If you are interested in genealogy research you can have some fun with that information.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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